VOX REBUTTAL: The REAL Reason American Healthcare is So Expensive | Louder With Crowder



it sounds like he's finding common ground Vox did another healthcare video relatively recently no that's called the real reason American healthcare is so expensive let me ask you this about Vox question of the day do you agree with Gerald's assessment on Vox and that when they released videos now they just pray to God that nobody does research but nor watches this show it's gotten to the point where they just try to slide it in there no let me give them credit here with this and we'll do a point-by-point rebuttal they actually do offer some solutions so their argument is this is why American health care so expensive and then they do offer usually they just criticize and kind of like John Oliver and so we want to give credit where it's due they found a new bet your elf boy two offers yes solution I got a semi Cupid let's go first clip America's government spending on health care on programs like Medicaid and Medicare and the VA our versions of socialized medicine it's about the same size as these other countries these countries where the government runs the whole health care system no no no okay this is right off the bat listen same size they're conflating size and percentages this is really perfectly not so the hint the United States total total cost of health care total spending on health care or if you want to use GDP I don't know that that exact chart what they're using it's very different from New Zealand or Portugal or Norway yeah also by the way do you know why it's different do you know why it's different because military because Sweden on that map they need our military to protect them from anybody benefits from the United States mo that's why they don't they don't pay for they don't military so they can piggyback off of all the innovation and great cool stuff that we that's us the land of cool stuff you're welcome stop conflating percentages in size let's get into more next clip it's the private insurance system that makes health care in America so expensive conventional wisdom says the government is more expensive than the private sector and yet here we are with the biggest private sector spending the most why is it free-market so bad I can join the cost of health care oh here we go very simple answer because it's not the markets job to control the cost and this is something that they do a lot they go back to just a cost cost the biggest lie ever told and you see this from Young Turks and there are these other atheist channels that are that are more liberal leaning say what more people are satisfied with the health care no this is in this entirely stems from subjective standards how do you feel about your health care if you give someone a a sandwich with flecks of human feces in it but it's free they'll probably like that sandwich more than a sandwich that's fecal matter list but mediocre at best if somebody paid for so that's important they're only talking here about the costs it's not the prep attackers job to control the cost but to provide the best services to provide the most innovation to provide health care available to many different people all kinds of different options whether they're lower cost or higher cost premium health care services some examples I think three separate analysis yeah concluded than 85% of the drugs approved by the FDA since 1988 arose solely from research and development performed in the private industry Berkeley Berkeley cites that 75% of clinical trials are privately funded that doesn't come cheap if your only standard is why are they spending so much and you're not taking this into account you're not going to see the whole picture and sometimes that's by design yeah and they start out bashing the free market like health care is void of government interference and it's a free market model that we should look at to see this with unregulated wild west yeah come on don't you know people can just sell you health care industry just be intellectually honest here in your first point you can get health care online without a background check we don't go to the doctor more than the Germans and the Japanese in fact to go to the doctor less the difference between us and them is it we pay every time we go to the doctor for everything from an angioplasty to a hip replacement from a c-section to a pain reliever in America the price for the same procedure at the same hospital it varies enormous lis depending on who is footing the bill all right so this is he knows he keeps coming back to he just keeps talking about how we pay more this is important I want you to see a whole picture okay if you pay more that's only a portion of any transaction if you go and purchase anything at a store right now let's say I go I go and I pay $10 what's your next question for what would you get for what's the other part there you go what's the quality simple look we're paying x4 we're paying X amount of money and it's too many X's yeah what for let's just look at the bill are our results better than say South Africa Spain included in the charts or maybe many of those procedures or drugs get invented in the private sector the United States leads in creation of new jugs jugs in the creation of new drugs and publications of medical research different chart service patients are 45% more likely to die in British hospitals in the United States now I've talked about this many times wait times in Canada for hospital beds they're close to nine hours the NHS failed to reach its goal of a four hour wait for our wait times in the ers what time in the US it's about two hours so again don't just look at the one portion of the equation how much are you spending what are you getting from what is the rest of the world getting from privately funded health care I get it you don't like paying for stuff everyone likes free stuff we like the party favors we like the loot bag but that does not national health care policy make next clip the price for someone with public insurance like Medicare or Medicaid is often the lowest price these groups he covers so many people that the government can demand lower prices from hospitals and doctors and they get those lower prices if the doctors in hospitals say you know there was a ton of business that's a bad thing that's one third of doctors now won't accept new net new Medicaid patients and is getting worse if you look at the trend fewer and fewer doctors are accepting Medicaid and Medicare why because though you just say if the hospital don't accept it they won't last just it's like okay this mug all right it's $69 annually if you're a student I'll give you 20 yeah but we can't afford that though it's 60 because we have server costs we have 12 employees at $69 no I'm gonna give you 20 yeah well no thank you only the person saying I'm gonna give you 20 holds a gun to your head says by the way you're taking 20 that's a good thing that's why doctors just stopped working and they don't they say you know what don't open the door on deck that guy comes in he always offers me 20 he only offers you 20 don't let him in don't let him in next clips won't easily be found in most hospitals charge uninsured patients four times as much as Medicare patients for an ER visit okay [Laughter] so one thing no one wants to talk about this many uninsured people use the ER as effectively their health care plan right you can't be refused in emergency right the last thing to ask for is your health care and Folie illegal immigrants in the United States for example go in get care leave never pay yeah but the difference is with no social security number right no credit issues so it's free care so that's the reason that ers are incredibly in hospital all these hospitals are incredibly expensive compared the cost of services say at an ER with providers who exclusively and then it's the United States particularly I was from Canada I didn't know this existed yeah deal with like cash only patients so cash only doctors I have a CAD I have a healthcare plan that's catastrophic care and I go to a cash doctor okay cash only MRIs there's a good example I've done this many times insurance would have paid two three times the amount for the MRI that I paid when I went and I paid for it myself anyway Lex neck Mac next clip other countries they don't have this problem instead of every private insurance company negotiating with every health care provider there's just this big list country the central government they go and they say if you want to sell to us to all of our people then here's what you can charge for a checkup here's what you can charge for an MRI or a prescription for the limit or and so then whether that bill goes to the heavily regulated private insurance companies in Germany or directly to the government like the UK sounds best country is telling the doctor or hospital or drug company how much that bill will be and because the government controls access on all of the customers it's an offer this hospitals and doctors and it sounds really bad to see but we can't refuse Boxter supported price-fixing even implied that the practice is mobster like which yes yeah but it's okay so long as the government does it scale it up we probably thought American History X was a family fill about the government can step in if they don't accept Medicaid and curb stomp with cinema lubes tracks playing in the background Oh what is this what is this rate fixing do Farrar I don't know say doctors well in Canada we just it was really hard it took years just to get a family doctor yeah in the UK since there's a very low ceiling to what they can make as apparently it's virtuous according to Vox from 2008 to 2012 more than 8,000 doctors left the UK and by the way the only reason that other countries can price fix on drugs is because of places that don't allowing for the innovation the creation of new drugs let's say the government said hey hey listen okay alright the price that people are gonna pay for your new cancer treatment it can only it's gonna be a hundred bucks that's it you can't charge more but it but it it costs billions of dollars to create don't care that's the cost that's the offer you can't refuse guess what the companies that create research the companies that innovate they're going to create zero new cancer treatments there is no incentive to go in so we burden the cost the private sector burdens the cost and then these other countries piggyback off of them and provide it at a subsidized rate that doesn't mean that somewhere down the line somebody didn't invest in creating new better health care you need that to keep this afloat just like you need the United States military to keep Canada from being invaded from I don't know anyone next clip under a single-payer system if you did drive prices down doctors and hospitals they would be paid less in there right now they're lining some of them closed some go out of business or some move sounds like a turns out everything we talked about was completely unnecessary because our counters well you're gonna lose doctors hospitals are gonna close down check hair is going to be worse offer yes yes yes but here comes and in that plan he expands Medicare to cover vision and dental and he opens it to nearly everyone not just 65 and older all kids go on Medicare automatically and most adults can buy in it's a dream far down overnight but it would at least begin to recognize what we already know and what most other countries already do that health care is one of those things the government can do cheaper and better but but you just said none of those things are true fewer doctors are never accepting these government forms of health care Medicaid in particular Medicare is going to be catching up really soon the solution here is yeah hospitals are gonna close in yeah we're gonna lose doctors but we do know that if we put everybody onto a system that's effectively bankrupt and we have to invade slush funds in order to support it's gonna work out eventually and it doesn't work precisely because of like you said the red tape and the costs associated with health care it is unreal to me that they can concede all of the territory everything that we talked about in this video and they don't care anyways because they believe that the government can somehow do it better than it's been doing it here's the deal it's a good it's a good measurement right you've got Medicare you've got Medicaid okay yeah we have problems with the image we have way more problems with third party insurers then we've had it then ever before I'll give it to them yeah what was doing better where do you where do you have better options right now we're not doing the thing that they try and do when they're trying to obfuscate all of their you know their their information their facts because they don't want you to do the research I'm not saying this is an issue that's way more nuanced then no listen they're not showing the complete picture okay right obviously everything is more nuanced than you can fit into a video if it's less than five hours long everything is more nuanced and you can fit into a YouTube clip or even onto the full version of the show what is not nuanced what does not require subtlety to understand is that this entire video only discusses costs it does not discuss quality of service this is one thing if you're looking to argue your point if you're looking to have this conversation with somebody usually not from a country that has socialized health care mind you okay usually people come from socialized health care they go we'll give you that one it's better year your hotels are like hospitals I thought I thought it was at a Marriott turns out I just broken my arm and woken up on morphine it is nice here compared to where I was raised in Montreal you need to when discussing this issue and I would love to have someone from Vox on this show to discuss it pin them down on quality of care and make sure that quality of care is measured by objective outcomes and not subjective polls asking people how do you feel about your healthcare when you frame that in and you're okay let's get outside of costs let's get outside of what people think about crappy healthcare because they're not paying for it and I live in socialized hellholes what are the actual objective outcomes of healthcare it is a losing issue for them it's a losing issue for them internationally it's a losing issue for Vox domestically if you actually compare Medicare Medicaid and the private sector and it sucks you mean nothing like this video subscribe by clicking the subscribe button it's Atkinson it's a circle now it used to be a square which most buttons aren't squares let's it's on a phone there's square buttons on phones what most buttons are circles you understand what I'm talking about or watch the recommended video which is popping up in a box or subscribe at lateral credit comm slash mug club join the mud club so you can 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34 Comments

  1. Do you agree with Gerald’s assessment on Vox? Do they rely on you not doing any research of your own?

  2. Think about it. Those other people pay just as much as we do they just pay it through taxes. Vox is only showing how much you pay out of pocket to the hospitals.

  3. When the nurse checks your blood pressure in the er and you pass out land in the floor. You get seen allot faster. Been there.

  4. Gay Crowder is distracting. the Best For examples, In other words are Topic relevant. Stay on Target Luke

  5. Okay late to your party, but here is the problem from the payer POV: medical services refuse to give prices before rendering services, and when you are in extreme pain or under the impression your life is in immediate danger you, you can’t apply free market forces. I know; I tried in the ER but was rushed through. It may not be a gun to your head, but it can be a bleeding hole in your stomach. When the Doctor tells you it can’t wait, you don’t have the ability to choose and thus the free market is circumvented. Much like monopolies could be formed through normal market forces and must be dealt with through law so must Emergency Services. We don’t have competing fire fighters, b/c you can’t make that kind of choice while the shop is burning down.

  6. it's actually better for doctors and patients to do cash only in small practices, 'ccording to some relatives of mine.

  7. Allow health Insurers to compete across state lines and you have solved 90% of the problem.

  8. My ex can get steroids to be a gender that they're not for free while i can't have a CPAP machine to keep me breathing at night. Welp, if i die i die

  9. JUGS

  10. Vox sure likes these weirdos with lisps. Government can't do anything cheaper and better.

  11. vox loves them beta males

  12. What's the solution to hospitals upcharging as much as 400%? How do we prevent insurance companies from cherry-picking which services they will cover for you?

  13. 14:21 I dunno if this is how they proposed the system to work, but it is retarded. In Europe it isn't like that, it's "you will get paid what you fixed, but the patient will only pay half, the other half coming from taxes". Also, to be fair, except by a few things most of American publications are rehashes of European and Japanese studies, numbers on their own say nothing (though the NHS is a deathtrap and most good European doctors tend to work 3 to 6 months a year in the US, at least it happens with Spanish doctors, and we have one of the better healthcare systems in the EU)

  14. And here is what you can get paid for making bullshit videos on youtube 😀

  15. I thought that your guys health care got so expensive because of government got into it

  16. Small correction, this may not be every state, but in CT, the ER will make sure to get your insurance info before you are seen, now if you don't give it to them, they WILL treat you anyway, so there's that.

  17. Medicare is a disaster! It literally cost my parents $2000 dollars MORE than private insurance, and because of our taxes the Gov. will fine us if we don't use Medicare!

  18. Yeah. The government is a notoriously efficient, effective and cheap organization.

  19. Vox blames the free market for American Healthcare? The reason it's so expensive is because it's not the free market!

  20. My values police me. How about you?

  21. Oh the cost of being policed

  22. 4:33
    That is a dumb
    Why is the same exact drug more expensive in America

  23. 1:55. It is a percentage dumbass
    If you look at the graph it’s percentage of gdp

  24. As a Canadian with a couple chronic illnesses I'll take crappy over none. Thanks

  25. The real reason healthcare is so expensive is because it requires a license to practice medicine. If a doctor/dentist immigrates from another country they cannot take their license with them. I could go have a colonoscopy from an unlicensed doctor for. Fraction of the price as if I went to a hospital….

    The second reason is because the insurance companies are middle men. They are making a profit and thousands of people are employed by those companies. hospitals know they can charge outrageous prices for simple procedures because the patient isn’t paying for the operation, instead it’s the responsibility of your insurance.

    End all insurance and end the bureaucracy and end government red tape!

  26. Daraprim.

  27. I dont get why atheist is considered an insult
    Im an atheist but i recognize the value of religion

  28. obama fycked us over

  29. Great content, genuinely like watching these.

    One thing though, the UK and Britain aren't the same thing. The UK is the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland, where as (Great) Britain doesn't include Northern Ireland.

    They're not interchangeable.

  30. Working for the government I have seen how they do it cheaper and better. It’s actually always more expensive and shit. Just plain shit

  31. Pro tip: if you want to get really fast care at the hospital, wear an immigration and customs enforcement (ICE) hat. The hospital clears almost immediately.
    Note:this tip is ineffective if you live in the Midwest region. Mostly works in countries bordering Mexico 🇲🇽

  32. The government cant even run the VA effectively for veterans, let alone health care for every citizen and illegal immigrant.

  33. From an Englishman, everyone hates the NHS, the health care is terrible and most of the employers are horrible and don't do their jobs correctly.

  34. By the way our Healthcare system is super regulated.

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