The US Health Care System Needs Immigrants

as a recent eight-nation bracket tournament in the new york times showed and i've discussed that a lot many people think the united states healthcare system has a lot of problems so it seems reasonable to think of policy changes that make things better not worse making it harder for immigrants to come here to practice medicine would fail that test that's the topic of this week's healthcare triage by any objective standard the United States trains far too few physicians to care for all the patients who need them we rank towards the bottom of developed nations with respect to medical graduates per population when physicians graduate from medical school they spend a number of years in a residency program I did not enjoy mine although they have their degrees we still require them to train further in the clinical environment to hone their skills residents are more than learners though they're doctors they fill a vital role in caring for patients in many hospitals across the country we don't have enough graduates even to fill residency slots this means that we're reliant on physicians trained outside the country to fill the gap a 2015 study found that almost a quarter of residents across all fields were foreign medical graduates and more than a third of residents and sub specialist programs were even training aside foreign medical graduates are also responsible for a considerable share of physicians practicing independently today about a quarter of all doctors in the United States are foreign medical graduates as in many other fields foreign medical graduates work in many of the areas that other doctors find less appealing more than 40% of the American primary care workforce is made up of people who trained in other countries and moved here more than half of all the people who focus on caring for older people or geriatricians are foreign medical graduates as well as if this weren't enough foreign medical graduates are more likely to practice in geographic areas of the country where there are physician shortages like non urban areas and they're more likely to treat Medicaid patients – as a physician who graduated from a domestic medical school I've often heard others disparaging doctors who went to medical school outside this country as if they were inferior those complaints are not supported by data study from health Fair's in 2010 found that patients with congestive heart failure or myocardial infarction had lower mortality rates when treated by doctors who were foreign medical graduates another from earlier this year in the BMJ found that older patients who were treated by foreign medical graduates had lower mortality as well even though they seemed to be in general in other words foreign medical graduates take care of patients who appear to be more ill but seem to achieve better outcomes a recent study in annals of internal medicine shows that these graduates are also responsible for a significant amount of teaching of the 80,000 or so academic physicians in this country more than 18% were foreign medical graduates more than 15% of full professors and medical schools in the u.s. were educated elsewhere most often in Asia Western Europe the Middle East Latin America and the Caribbean foreign medical graduates also do a lot of research although they are ineligible for some NIH funding which is granted only to citizens of this country they still manage through collaboration to be primary investigators on 12 and 1/2 percent of grants they led more than 18% of clinical trials in the US and were responsible for about 18% of publications in the medical literature I spoke to the lead author of the study Dhruv cooler who's a physician at New York Presbyterian Hospital and a researcher at Weill Cornell he said and I'm quoting our findings suggest that by some metrics these doctors account for almost one-fifth of academic scholarship in the United States the diversity of American medicine and the conversations ideas and breakthroughs this diversity sparks may be one reason for our competitiveness as a global leader in biomedical research and innovation the United States is not the only country that relies on doctors trained or educated in other countries we're not even the country with the highest percentage of such physician according to data from the OECD almost 58 percent of physicians practicing in Israel are foreign medical graduates about 40 percent of doctors in New Zealand and Ireland we're also trained outside those country because of the sizes of those nations even though the percentages of foreign medical graduates are higher there the total numbers aren't as high as in the u.s. though in 2015 the OECD estimated that the United States had more than two hundred and thirteen thousand foreign trained doctors and no other country comes close Britain had about 48,000 Germany about thirty-five thousand and Australia France and Canada had between 22 and 27 thousand I've listened to people tell me stories of physicians who leave Canada because they were dissatisfied about working in a single-payer health care system that might have been true debt to go but in the last 10 years that number has dropped precipitously the number of Canadians returning to their country to practice may actually be higher than the number leaving and although many feared the coverage expansions from the Affordable Care Act might lead to an overwhelmed physician workforce that didn't happen that doesn't mean that America doesn't have a shortage of physician services as we've discussed in previous episodes especially when it comes to the care of the oldest the poorest and the most geographically isolated among us even though we know foreign medical graduates care for these patients just proportionally we make it very difficult for many born and trained elsewhere to practice here some Americans need those doctors desperately all the evidence seems to suggest that policies should be made to attract them not deter them 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  1. If I ever got terminally sick I would travel to another country.

  2. I know the USA is having a bit of a healthcare crisis and Americans make , but could Healthcare Triage have more videos on general health issues than current issues for the USA. Out of your videos for this month 9 are about USA centric issues and only 4 are general health topics. I can not imagine these videos will be relevant in two years people in USA, just as they are not relevant for me here in Australia now.

  3. Chile also relies heavily on foreign trained doctors, especially on primary care. My husband currently works in primary care (before the residency) and he’s one of 3 Chilean doctors in the facility; I think the rest are all foreigners.
    Also, we’d look into going to the US for a subspecialty program but that prospect looks much worse now with the political climate there…

  4. Could I ask you all to review and edit the captions for these videos? They are fantastic but my students with hearing loss struggle to use the resource. Thank you for all you do!

  5. It would occur to me that shortage of anything cost more in basic economics, so……….bring on the immigrants!

  6. Just a short note about the OECD stat regarding Israel- a large number of Soviet (and smaller number of European and American) Jewish doctors moved to Israel in the early 90s which contributed greatly to the 58%. In addition, in recent years there has been an influx of Israeli students who are studying medicine abroad – mostly in central and eastern Europe since it's easier to get into med school there and overall living/studying costs are similar or even lower than they are in Israel.

    Both those push the "foreign medical grads" stats up, but also can mislead since they are Israeli citizens who merely studied abroad (in the more recent case) or are Jews who lived in the USSR and who fled to Israel after the fall of the Iron Curtain.

  7. I hated memorization. That's why I am a chemist, not a doctor. I have a good memory and when it comes to technical stuff I have damn near total recall. But forcing students to memorize stuff with flash cards will weed out motherfuckers like me. Also, pre-med students were notorious and implaccable cheaters. That may be unique to my college, however.

  8. I can think of two instances off the top of my head where foreign trained professionals are prevented from practicing in the States unless they retook the same classes and certs. Kinda baffling.

  9. great video Dr. Carroll. Have you listened to this podcast about nurses in America by Freakonomics? It's a good one and fits into this theme of filling holes that domestically trained doctors don't by giving nurses more scope to practice


  11. honestly, after reading some of these comments, i really won't try to get into a residency programme in the US. i get insulted by rude patients everyday already, i don't need to take several tests, pay thousands of dollars and take 7 hour flight to have that

  12. i mean, i would, but the hoops to jump through are a fuckin joke.

  13. I like how you say things

  14. I'm absolutely flabbergasted at the number of people who don't understand that the cost of medical school has nothing to do with the physician shortage and that importing foreign treasured physicians is not taking jobs away from citizens.

    To the first point, there are far more qualified applicants to medical schools each year than there are openings in medical schools. We have both too few medical schools and class sizes that are too small to support our need for doctors. This is a large reason why medical schools can charge so much- demand is high and there isn't any competition. Also, no regulations to stop them!

    To the second point, not sure why people don't understand the definition of the word shortage. Bringing in foreign doctors doesn't take away jobs from citizens, because we don't have enough doctors to fill all of the positions available. The only thing you could possibly argue is that it increases competition for the most desirable jobs. In my opinion, let the best doctor win. If I need brain surgery, I'd rather have the most competent doctor available doing that, regardless of their country of origin.

    I know some of y'all are afraid of immigrants and also of opinions you disagree with, but stop being such triggered cry babies. Actually look at the evidence before you go throwing a tantrum about LIBERAL PREJUDICE and IMMIGRANTS STEALING OUR JOBS 😭. Reacting this way supports our shitty political system that wants to keep the people divided and fighting each other instead of actually fighting for a better future.

  15. Doctors are usually high quality immigrants so I don't think any US citizen no matter their political preference would object if they immigrate to the US. Just have some standard though, there's a difference between Oxford Medical School and 'Al Jazeera Online Course for Healing'.

  16. Your video lacked any examples on how the current or proposed immigration policies hinder foreign medical workers from entering the US. The current system has a cap on the amount of workers and I think it needs improving. The immigration policy proposed by Trump would make it easier for more educated individuals to enter the US. I understand that it isn't popular because they are talking about putting restrictions on family member visas. I think as a whole it will be beneficial to have more skilled foreign workers here and I think that most people would agree. Hopefully there can be a bi-partisan agreement on how that can work without open the flood gates wide and letting anyone and everyone in. I doubt that our Congress can agree on anything.

  17. Love the video. You look like you could be Harvey Weinstein' s younger brother. Lol

  18. Shouldn't the title be "immigrant healthcare workers" not "immigrants"

  19. Support an agenda much?

  20. Love this video, I love our immigrants too!

  21. I actually really like this show

  22. Correction: Skilled Immigrants …not just immigrants–we don't need unskilled, uneducated welfare immigrants who never plan on working, or those with dubious backgrounds. Also, while I don't disagree with this video…don't other countries need medical professionals? Can't imagine them having a surplus and are trying to get rid of all of their doctors. The more that are incentivized to come here for a better life and higher standard of living…the further it lowers the standard of living for those countries they come from because we'd be taking them away, since everybody everywhere needs medicine and medical professionals.

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