Charlamagne Tha God – Combatting the Stigma Around Mental Health in “Shook One” | The Daily Show

Welcome back to the show,
my friend. -Oh, thank you for having me
again. -Good to see you. The last time I saw you
was in South Africa. -Yes, Johannesburg. -Was that
your first time out there? That was my first time
in South Africa. -First time on that continent,
period. -Are you serious? -Absolutely. -Did you kiss the
ground and be like, “I’m home.”? -Um, no, but I-I felt that way.
-Yeah. You know, I felt the connection.
You know what I mean? I felt like, uh, I was in…
I was in the right body, -so to speak.
-You know what’s…? You know what’s interesting is,
I took that for granted until I lived in the U.S.
for, like, three years. -And then, when I went home
now… -Uh-huh. …I was like, “Oh, now
I-I see what that feeling is.” ‘Cause black Americans
used to tell me that when they’d come
to South Africa, and I’d be like, “Really?” -Nah, I felt it…
-But, no. You-you… There is a special feeling.
Like, you-you had that, as well? Yeah, and I think it…
I think it’s two ways to feel, um, ’cause my wife was
telling me how she kind of felt like a disconnect
only because it’s a… It’s a whole bunch of people
that look like us, but they know their culture. -They’re speaking
a different language. -Wow. She felt like
she had been robbed. And I was like,
“Baby, you were.” Okay? We… -We all were.
-Right, right. You know, so,
it’s-it’s a dual feeling. Some people feel disconnected, and then, some of us feel
like we’re at home. But the beauty of it is
you can always learn, right? -Yeah. -You can learn
what tribe you’re from. You can learn your culture, you can learn
your original language. -You can, man.
-Yeah. You’re someone who’s on a
journey of learning right now. -Yes. -Charlamagne is somebody
many people may know as, you know,
a face of hip-hop, a face of, you know, like,
entertainment and what’s happening
in the world. But I feel like,
over the past few years, you’ve been on a journey of, like, evolving yourself
as a human being, and that’s what this book
feels like– Shook One:
Anxiety Playing Tricks on Me. This is a book
about mental health. Yes, and it didn’t, uh… Uh, I didn’t intend for it to be
a book about mental health. Like, you know, I was literally
just keeping a journal of all my therapy sessions. So I was keeping a journal
of things that, you know,
give me anxiety now… -Right. -things that have
historically given me anxiety. And then, you know,
when you’re sitting in therapy, you just start unpacking
all kinds of stuff. So it just became
the pages in this book. But sitting in therapy
is not something that many black men would
A: admit to, and B: want to be involved in. That’s-that’s-that’s…
that’s a movement that you’ve really been,
you know, at the forefront of. -Yes. -There’s many…
there’s many black men who’ve said in America,
“Yo, I go to therapy now -because of Charlamagne.”
-Absolutely. Because you’re in a community
where, for a long time was like, “Yo, you do what?
You go to therapy?” And that’s why I always say,
you know, sometimes God allows things to happen to you
so he can work through you. And that’s why I think
it’s very important -for us to always share
our experiences. -Right. Because it can help
the next person. Like, for example,
you know, my father– which I just found out
over Thanksgiving– my father had been going
to therapy two and three times a week. -He tried to kill himself
30 years ago. -Wow. He, uh, has been on ten to 12
different medications -for his… -And you never…
you never knew this? Never knew it. But he read my
book, and that’s when he decided to come have the conversation
with me about it. So if he’d have told me
about this years ago, then I would have known that
there was tools and resources out there that
could have helped me combat what I’ve been dealing with
my whole life. Do you think that,
fundamentally, hip-hop and its culture
goes against ideas of, like, getting help and therapy,
and, like… Like, do you think there’s
a part of the culture itself that-that doesn’t,
you know, speak to that? Or, you know, it’s, like,
frowned upon in a way. Um, that’s a good question. I think that we lean
on the wrong things. Like, there’s a lot
of self-medication. That’s where the weed
and the pills and the alcohol are involved. Or a lot of times,
just as a black person, we think that, like,
pain is normal, you know? Like, growing up in America,
you think that a lot of things that we go through–
the trauma, the pain– like, we’re supposed to be
going through that, but then when you kind of, like,
transcend those circumstances, and you’re on the outside
looking in, you’re like: ah, a lot of things
that we used to normalize, or a lot of things
that we used to go through, -aren’t-aren’t exactly normal.
-Right. It’s interesting, in the book, like,
you’ve broken down into different chapters
that tackle specific issues. You know?
Things like “Forget the FOMO.” “Being blackanoid is a reality.” “Therapy is not embarrassing.” “Getting help is your right.”
“Be confident in your own skin.” And I was struck
by a few things. I’ve always known
Charlamagne as, like, one of the most
confident people out here. You say things that have half of
the Internet coming after you. Like, every time I see you say
something, I’m just like, “Wow.” That don’t mean I’m confident.
I could just be stupid. Yeah, I mean… But stupidly
confident sometimes, -is what I feel.
-Yeah. True. You’ll say things,
and literally, I’ve seen half the Internet
come after you. But in the book,
you talk about how much anxiety that has created in your life. I never thought that that was
an issue that you faced. And a lot of people get anxiety
from the Internet. Have you found tools that
help people overcome that? I mean, you talk about it
in the book, but what have you
really found that works? Well, uh, therapy,
number one, you know? And number two, honestly, just,
um, thinking a little bit more before you tweet things out. -(laughing)
-You know what I’m saying? Some things…
some things can be avoided -if you just ask your circle
first of all. -Right. Like, I think
our first instinct– sometimes we
don’t understand something– is just to run
to the Internet with it. Let me ask a couple of people
that I trust first of all, you know,
what they think about this, and then I’ll give my opinion
on it… on it later. It’s interesting,
because you are a… a friend and someone who
has interviewed Kanye West. -Right?
-Yeah. And what’s been interesting
this year is the journey that Kanye West has been on. We saw Kanye West come out,
and, you know, some people said he had stopped medication
to start making music again. -Yeah. He said that.
-He was in the studio. Right. And then…
and then we started seeing Kanye the MAGA hat wearer, Kanye, like, you know,
coming out and saying things about the world, you know,
and-and everyone was like, “Oh, man, he’s crazy,”
and made the jokes. And then Kanye came out
and said, “No, no, no. -I have mental health issues.”
-Yeah. And then everyone was like,
“Oh. We-we can’t make jokes.” Then he sat down
with President Trump, and he was like,
“Oh, I was misdiagnosed.” “I was misdiagnosed,
I don’t have bipolar, -it was sleep deprivation.”
-“I don’t have it. It’s just sleep deprivation.”
That’s like, “Wait, so we can make the jokes?”
And then the other day on Twitter, I saw, like, Ariana
Grande went and said something, and then he’s like,
“I have mental health issues.” -Yeah. -But, like,
there’s an interesting world– I mean, maybe you
can speak on it– where it feels like someone
is using “mental health” as, like, a buffer,
like, they go like, “I can do crazy things, and
then if someone calls me out, I’ll be like: Oh, no, no, no,
I’ve got mental health, so you can’t say anything
about that. Yeah, I mean this
in the most brotherly, uh, you know, black man to black man
way possible. Kanye West is full of shit,
right? -And… And…
-(laughter) And-and what I mean by that
is exactly what you just said. You sat in the White House
with Donald Trump -and you said you didn’t have
bipolar. -Right. You were misdiagnosed;
it was sleep deprivation. You’re off your medication and
you create better without it. But when you get into
a rap feud with Drake, the only way you can
combat Drake in any way, shape or form is to weaponize
mental health, and say that Drake bullies people
with mental health issues based off, you know,
a couple of bars that Drake gave Kid Cudi
who suffers from mental health, and now Drake, you know,
coming at Kanye West. But, to me, man, it has nothing
to do with mental health. This is about sneakers. It’s the fact that Drake is
effecting your sneaker sales, because– No. Because in the
biggest song of the year… (laughter and applause) In the biggest song of the year,
which is “Sicko Mode,” you know, with Drake
and Travis Scott, -Drake says, uh,
“checks over stripes.” -Right. And then in another record
with French Montana called “No Stylist,” he said,
“Don’t wear no 350s around me,” -which is, uh, one of
Kanye West’s sneakers. -Right. Kanye West’s last couple
of sneakers haven’t really sold extremely
well. Now, I can’t chalk that all up
to Drake. I’m gonna chalk that up to some
of the MAGA hat, too, but the-the only way you can
think to combat Drake is to weaponize
mental health issues? That’s whack, my brother.
That’s lame. What would you hope that-that
you could change in somebody’s mind
when they read the book? I mean, because here’s what’s
interesting about this book, is that I like
that you haven’t tried to present yourself
as an expert. -I’m not an expert at anything.
-Right. You-you-you write– No, but you write about
your experiences, and then you have a therapist
who actually, like, -basically has an addendum
after each chapter -Dr. Ish. that breaks it down like a real
medical professional. So what would you hope that somebody takes away
from reading this book? Especially people who see
mental health as like, “Oh, man, you crazy.” Like, what would you, what would
you hope that they take away? I would hope that they take away the fact that it’s okay
to get help. It’s okay to not be okay. I look at mental health the same
say I look at physical health. You know, like,
if you get a little chubby around the middle, which we all
do during the winter, you’re gonna go work it out,
you’re gonna go eat right. I think it’s the same thing
with your brain, you know what I’m saying?
Like, you have to watch what you put into your brain. You have therapists
and psychiatrists that you can sit down and talk
to and figure things out, and work through these issues. So it’s just okay
to-to not be okay. And it’s okay to say
you’re not okay. And if people think
you’re crazy, so what? You know what I’m saying?
You know what’s crazy? Not going to get help for it. Thank you so much for being
on the show, my brother. -Yeah, man. Thanks.
-Great having you back. Shook One– Really different
and interesting look at Charlamagne Tha God–
is available now.


  1. When did Charlamagne go from being one of the most problematic shit starters in the black community to being this woke, wise , intelligent authority on mental health? It is a positive message, but most Daily Show viewers don't know the other bullshit that comes out of this man's mouth.

  2. Ahhh the eternal excuse machine for Blacks underachieving that is the Trevor Noah show…lmao. Make better decisions and have a better life. Such a simple concept even liberals can understand it.

  3. Charlamagne saying Kanye is full of ish : priceless! 😆😆😆

  4. I felt at home in South Africa for years even though my real home is 7k kms away. I miss Johannesburg so much.

  5. bless your success, you would have never got if not for america

  6. I can understand how black Americans could feel “robbed”, because they literally were for hundreds of years, but black Americans have created their own unique culture that damn near everyone envies. Black Americans have done this while being systemically held down too. People of all colors and creeds all over our planet want to look like, sound like, and act like, black Americans. Imagine what these people could do with the same support systems around them others get in majority.

  7. Confirmed: Kanye West is full of shit.

  8. Ok I think it's time for Kanye to appear on The Daily Show and he better wear his precious MAGA hat….who else agrees.

  9. MY DUDE

  10. 💯💯💯

  11. He's so manipulative and 90%of y'all buy it….he will say anything to fit a narrative he's try to portray….. He's extremely smart can't call him dumb…But he's a manipulative liar in disguise

  12. Amazing

  13. Half the internet….. yeah that's because he is racist. Fuck Charlemagne.

  14. He needs to go back to therapy for his ridiculous name. Has a god complex, but cannot spell.

  15. I can not effing stand CTG!!!!

  16. I am now a fan and am buying the book!

  17. Didn't Charlemagne rape someone?

  18. New found respect ✊

  19. Those snowflakes ere hard not to look at lol🙃

  20. People that are loose at the lips like Charlemagne will have anxiety about the internet

  21. Where is this book availble in Soith africa

  22. Bring nasty c Trev

  23. Hit on a lot of good points.

  24. Damn, trevor!! That's Some deep stuff!

  25. Kanye is a 🥜

  26. Disappointed that Trevor would have this man on his show 😥

  27. Dude made a name for himself by making people uncomfortable on The Breakfast Club, making fun of them. Basically giving them anxiety. Now he's writing a book about having anxiety and the trouble behind it….lmao

  28. I don't know the guy and he is not a psychologist, so why is he there telling me how to do things?

  29. CONO DIO DA!

  30. African u can have Charlemagne in return give us a a hyppo's tooth or something.

  31. Sorry Charlemagne looks like a raccoon 😂

  32. Why,I cannot stand him just a loud mouth jerk

  33. Unbelievable I still don’t have a warm cozy feeling but he’s right about addressing your mental health

  34. How come travor is doing so well, interviews these days. Its amazing maybe he should full time go for anchoring, especially with the presidential debates coming up

  35. You get African Americans who says they are Israelites but Charlamane just said it now that he met people who look exactly like them but the difference is they speak another language and they know which tribe they are from.

    True looking at some African Americans they be like normal people I know around my hood.

  36. Ok everyone says "seek help from the therapist" isn't the therapist just another human? I don't care how long they went to school for it, a therapist won't know what is really going on in your head? People get misdiagnosed a lot. I don't trust meds to be honest

  37. newfound respect for Charlemagne


  39. Well everyone has that feeling, if you don’t believe me ask the whites and Asians who went to Africa and never went back home.

  40. These two guys are smart

  41. Much respect for both Charlemagne Tha God and Trevor Noah! I enjoy hearing them speak! They’ve opened my eyes to seeing things differently!

  42. Excellent interview

  43. God looks like a tranny why ?

  44. I just started going to therapy. It is definitely something that was (even subconsciously) stigmatized, I think in most communities, but especially in the black community. I had no clue why I was feeling depressed or anxious but therapy has mad me realize I was holding a lot of things in and it is so important that people see this and understand that it's okay to get help

  45. I have my Africa lol it's a good thing I was Born in Haiti

  46. I love Trevor, big up from Angola and I wanna be sit next to you one day

  47. The biggest problem in urban culture is that sometimes we avoid certain things that are beneficial to us just because it’s not socially acceptable within our community. In urban culture, the main goal is to present yourself as a strong, flawless individual who succeeds in everything they do, and we box up all those contradictory emotions because of we’re seen as weak, we might lose our street cred.

  48. This is a really good interview. Although Charlemagne is problematic, I’m happy for him that he’s seemed help and he’s growing.

  49. CTG should host the Oscars. I need that book, too.

  50. Our African brothers sold us into slavery for cheap trinkets. That is the sad part of this saga. Africa needs to apologize for participating in slavery. I feel a conflicted connection to Africa. Charlamagne should have his own tv show.

  51. The last time you saw him he was dark skinned!

  52. So if you were “robbed” then why not move back? The reality of the situation is, white people saved you by making you slaves.

  53. I was just talking about this feeling with my friend ..EVERYTIME, EVERY YEAR I go back home to South Africa and the pilot starts talking about the weather and that we are about to land at O.R Tambo..i feel a feeling I cannot explain and once it touches down I feel free..i feel overwhelmed, and I feel HOME!!! Gosh it's a feeling I wish for my future kids .

  54. Culturally Black people don’t seek therapy for stress, anger roots, mental health as a whole. White people keep 2 professionals on retainer, lawyers and psychiatrist. Black people and people of other races need to take a page from their books. CTG is very open about his life and therapy. Therapy is just like getting chemo, treatment for diabetes, high blood pressure, etc. it’s covered by most insurance companies. Use the coverage people, you’re paying for it.

  55. Check Dave Chappelle = BASE! = Rehab/Mental Health issues 😂

  56. Come back home.. SA is where it's at

  57. Two very smart, well dressed black men! ❤️❤️❤️

  58. Need to know your heritage charlamagne thah God where did your ancestors come from?

  59. Am going therapy if only my ex paid it lol

  60. Charlamagne got that skin together!!!

  61. Charlamagne the WHAT?

  62. Amen

  63. One ☝️ Love from Haiti 🇭🇹

  64. He should be the last talking about mental health😂. He’s just too mean and doesn’t care about it. I mean he berated lil mama and tore her apart calling her ugly and everything while she was crying about her mom dying. I don’t like the guy. Can’t talk about what God brings people to and being influential —only to create a career out of being mean spirited…

    However this was a great interview. As usual Trevor, you got the juice🙌

  65. I'm a Mexican mother and I will read this book

  66. Very cool. Very positive and progressive.

  67. Wouldn't be surprised if there was a spike in therapists.

  68. This guy, with his history of sexual misconduct with women???? Is Trump on next?

  69. Trevor nice tuxedo

  70. This guy sucks ass! Really dislike him

  71. stigma around mental health? i think you meant mental illness…

  72. "God allows things to happen to you to work through you". Blessings my brother. I am so grateful that you are speaking about this. It's so necessary for us to use gain self-awareness and strength through therapy. Unfortunately, as AfAm are problems get manifested through alcohol/drugs/overeating and other forms of abuse. You. Are. Inspiring.

  73. Great interview

  74. On point!

  75. It’s important to get help. Hats off to you for getting help!

  76. Sharing everything on Facebook?

    Give open K-EYe’S to yourself and others enjoying as well as Loving life!

    Everyone has their own low key ways too shields:
    Wall-Fed Inside or Outside your body

    Using them at your own risk can show caution or give off to you and others / themselves ways of precaution about You! That’s why it helps, so that you can know about them and help you decide rather or not if you want too keep your distance! So please keep letting me know about You. Mental help tells on oneself-itself!
    Getting A licensed correct help or doctor are sometimes found due to using Facebook message and photos. It probably was the reasoning for its start for friends and family having the needs of some or knowing someone with related issues.
    Church was a start
    Media next
    A Mental mind is not a bad word, it’s a work of you controlling one self brain into away to creating or using it for our best of God Ways of ART!
    If issue with our thoughts, know that know-one should have to shield their mind. You can or have the rights too Question any brain with the correct doctor! If ones needed
    Sharing everything Clothes on or off, don’t matter what culture. Those chemicals or my listed shields used we’ve might shared incorrectly can be used for or clues, which can trigger to close All mouths!

    Inhale exhale pop a pill smoking on something or others medicine will cause your ass a cautious high or low. Either way it has something in common, takes you right off your feet. I don’t need more of anything that’s causing me off balance and issues with my check book. I can’t wait to eat does enough of that and I heard weed makes you even hungrier! So don’t inhale me with weed grass is for billy goats and bull shit.

    What a person might think that’s in your mind is crazy, a doctor might use it for the key to help save the world! That’s why baby Jesus was hidden! The Used of Jesus Brain was for helping us save ourselves! Too Mirror / image us as a human.

    Note; What you might think or find is everything. Is not going too always be one or everyones thoughts and class off as or of someone’s else’s EVERYTHING!

    Share your prayers and messages with God first, then focus onto knowing about yourself!

    FACEBOOK doesn’t or always get A message written or photo showed and viewed never as MY or ME SHARING EVERYTHING!

    Trust me God Gets it ALL!

    You only get what you want, we ALL are guilty of that???

    Only a few knows how to SEE & LOVE God or understand the message as well as get the pictures!

    Those ones that close their Facebook that’s now close or reopen another chapter knows how to move forward!

    The ones that close Facebook has realize I have had enough of everybody and everything else’s, which is to much weight or wait this life is now about myself!

    Facebook friends and family real users purpose is too use it for what it’s worth and that’s to send off love photo and messages of letting them know that you really care!

    Facebook idiots sometimes can be misleading or mistakenly understanding that’s why there’s a delete button. I’ve punched a few of them and I’m sure some have been push on me! Or just keep them on, because it’s like Fox News you want to be aware of what or about the idiot box is thinking!

    Everything is about you being happy and the enjoyment of life. Including Your to giving love to yourself as well others! We as good messengers just have to try our best, too doing it with all our LOVE 💕 !

    Kim Dale / A Heart On!!!

  77. Can't believe they put an admitted sexual predator/date rapist on this show. Did Charlamaine pay for therapy for his victim? #Metoo

  78. Excellent interview. It's ok not to be ok, but it's not ok to use it as a crutch, so get help. Amen. I tried to get my ex into therapy. He went once and wouldn't go back because he wasn't ready to hear the truth. Now, sadly. he is part of my past. It isn't weak to get help…but your weak without it.

  79. Charlemagne convicted of RAPING a young black girl.

  80. Charlemagne seems alot more mature in this interview than he was when Trevor was on his show 2 years ago

  81. You look so handsome Trevor!😍😍

  82. CHARLAMAGNE THE GOD is ONLY 41 years old. Zodiac: cancer.
    I truly hope he and Tyler Perry could get together for a couple of dinners and he may find that he really feels strengthen by Tyler, the man who talked about how rough it was GROWING UP and MAKING IT THROUGH THE STAGES OF GROWTH. AND THAT'S IT—–?? WELL NO. NOT QUITE.
    The purpose is to visit with someone (a '''man''', not a boy) who has the same track (black man in the U.S. ) but mostly it is because he is male, but instead of thinking the counselor has ALL the answers, speak to another man who figured it out: what is real and what is ideal. And, Perry is someone who knows that no matter what the energy is inside of us, it has its own way and we all have to know that and manage that.
    Psychologists do not recognize '''''personalities''''' and we think our '''personas''' are unique just to us and so we find some way or another to be strong. And that's what wrong. But simply put: This is why a belief is GOD, Jesus, Allah is a good thang.
    Growing pangs,….pains, is ''''suffering'''' but it comes in normal growing stages.
    Talk with Tyler.
    Well, by the time we reach old age we have shaped our story. We all have a story. It hurts less, I think, but it is still stages of growth. Look for no magic to make it right …..gain your own strength and relief.
    Charlamagne is only 41 years old.
    –margaret opine, cultural anthropology

  83. The struggle is real…

  84. Beautifully done you two.😆

  85. Good work CTG

  86. I am really disappointed with this interview. It is not at all uncommon that a person with bipolar disorder in a manic episode would deny that they are sick, deny their diagnosis. How can you say that it should be ok to have a mental illness and in the next breath make fun of Kanye. If he is bipolar (and I don't know but have no reason to doubt it), then he just had a very public and humiliating manic episode. The last thing he needs is for mental health advocates to belittle and make fun of his illness. Read up a little before you talk about a topic like this on TV…


  88. Controversial Conversation Podcast – Mental Health Conversation; view it here:

  89. Self medication. Not knowing it is not normal. Therapy is a right?? Keep it balance. Luv the tuxedo!!

  90. Mental is now race card??

  91. We're not AFRICANS we're HEBREWS! You're connection is in Jerusalem!


  93. Trevor Noah is not only incredibly funny, he's an absolute ace issues interviewer.

  94. Charlamagne recognizes his mental state as most "stable" people are fortunate enough to do and ask for help Some people can't get there….Even asking friends for advice from friends 'bout social media posts…..Why the fuck can't our president do that?

  95. I love it when these two get together. Great insightful conversation.

  96. I love his necklace!

  97. Every black man and woman in Americas have mental health issues and its not their fault.

  98. We all have to admit that the problems blacks face daily are not easy and if any other race of people on the planet would have to go through what black people have had to endure they would not survive the trails and tribulations that blacks have and still look good behavior wise. mentally we are not committing mass murders With or without mental health therapy. BLACK PEOPLE HAVE STRONG RESILIENCE ABILITY. SPECIAL UNIQUE PEOPLE.

  99. Love charmaglne there is reason why the word God has his name in it

  100. Great job, these're information we should all know about,love this interview, I don't mine reading this Book.

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